Long story short, Phil was forced to put the grizzly down. A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. Most of the time if all you are trying to do is keep the bears from attacking you, wear bells on your clothing as the old timers did. After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. Certain poisons meant to kill rodents, called anti-coagulant rodenticides, end up in the tissues of mountain lions. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. Spent half my working career in Alaska, hunted, fished, hiked. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. Your wife and kids will thank you. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. Traveling with several other people may also help discourage a bear attacking as they usually want the least confrontation unless it is a mother bear protecting her cubs. Caliber: 357 or better. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. The key is putting the projectile in the right spot. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. Mountain Lions are extremely fast, territorial, and capable of seriously injuring and killing even an adult human. It definitely works. Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. Black bear common senseoptions: The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. Mountain lion study highlights. If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. bear which turned on him. Brown bear commonsense options: The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and elk He normally carries a .44 Magnum but opted for the 9mm that day. No, probably not, but I would feel much better with this gun its easily concealable, doesnt weigh a whole lot, nor take up a lot of room than with no gun at all. Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! A couple of quick .25s to the knee of your brother in law ought to make that possible. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. The yellow color was striking. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. They were relocating a Grizzly to a remote wilderness area. Oaf commented on the case strength, I personally use Starline cases mostly, and have not had a failure yet, however I do only use those cases for 2 heavy loadings, and then relegate them to lesser cowboy loads. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. Your email address will not be published. As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. had the game warden not had his .357 Magnum holstered on his person the Grizzly Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. Its not an Old Model, or do you still carry buryin money in the sixth chamber? Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. Its a gun I have confidence in when It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. None of the planned gun laws have any impact on bolt-action rifles as far as I'm aware (except perhaps limiting magazine capacity if it has one), and to be extra safe you could get a bolt-action rifle without a detachable magazine. Were they harder to kill then healthy racoons, no. I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. A 300gr bullet at 1000 fps has 666 ft-lbs of energy. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. Nope, no way. Mr. Shoemakers observations about irrational fear, opinions based on nonexperience or shilling, and the need for multiple hits in a hurry are the most astute and real world in this series. Bears do not like facing off with skunks because their nose and eyes are two of their more sensitive parts. The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. 10 mm. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. It doesnt kick as much as my .44 Rem Mag in a JP Sauer six-shooter that I used to carry on remote gold mining operations, and in a M&P Shield and Glock 21, it also serves as my concealed carry. What do you know! But these loads would likely destroy an old Peacemaker, or other similar guns. Then it rolled over and started walking. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. My grandparents have a home on rockytop Tennessee, with a few caves. Penetration and shot placement are king. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. Put up the fishing gear and settled in for the night. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. coyote-wolf hybrids The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . chasing after and retrieving spent brass. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. Works good for road rage as well. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. For more information about Smith & Wesson, click here. It can be very difficult to bring down a rabid animal. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. Hunting, Loaded with good ammunition, either of these Smith & Wesson .44 Magnums will make excellent bear medicine. Expert trackers look for the following to identify mountain lion tracks: Three lobes at the bottom of the pad. Its a simple concept. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, I have always heard, or read, that one should use heavy for caliber, hard cast lead bullets for bear. Fortunately, another adult P.J.s uncle in the party had brought a handgun along and had left it in a vehicle that was parked nearby. You think living in the Alaskan bush 24/7/365 for 33 years as a bear guide makes you an expert? Even with the hottest 460 I find the revolver to be controllable. Remember one thing in Bear country. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 Once you get over 300gr. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. As a retired, longtime USMC colonel buddy of mine reminded me a few weeks ago, you should be carrying, always.. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Now thats an appropriate comment. Do I want to use one as my sidearm? Jim Farmer Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. A glock 20 (10 mm) has 16 rounds and with the correct ammo is pushing 41 magnum range. Robert Rourke famously said, Use enough gun.. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. Fifty-four mountain lions in Alberta were tracked with GPS collars during a three-year study of . I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. The shop will have something to shoot almost every time regardless of where you are. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. But so .38spl are pretty light loads. 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. No, they dont. Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. Im sure that by now youve all heard about famous Alaskan bear guide Phil Shoemaker (grizzlyskinsofalaska.com) , who thwarted a grizzly attack with a Smith & Wesson 9mm automatic, loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast ammunition. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. They understood the dangers. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. You will only have only one chance to prove fluffy wont kill you. For College Campuses! They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake The problem is the gun. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. There is nothing wrong with the cartridge. Sounds like you have everything covered. If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. took advantage of this for their hike the following day. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. Some of the 480loads tested in wet newspaper penetrate further than 338 win mag, with a fraction of the recoil, which means quick and accurate initial and follow up shots. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. @1,200+ FPS and a 300gr. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. The 12-year-old in Alaska who just shot the brown with the shotgun is the son of a good friend. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise Defensive purse swinging! With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. the game warden. The child was scratched by the cats paw when the lion was spooked by gunfire. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. That is your choice. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. A 45 Long Colt? Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . That accounted for its lethargic behavior when it quietly approached they boy and his cousin near a river in Arizonas Tonto National Forest. For self defense/house protection/ They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. In general, 10mm, .44 magnum, or better seems like the best choices (including .454 Casull). However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. fresh kill 1994 watch online. I simply killed her with kindness, responding: for the same reason you dont buy bathroom tissue, one sheet at a time, MAMM. This I know from personal experience! Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. OMG! Beside, everyone agrees, and it has been my personal experience in bear (black only so far, but grizzly are about) stand-offs hauling out elk quarters in the Bitterroot Mtns that youre only going to get two shots and the extra round of a semi-auto (6 + 1) offers over a six-shooter revolver is a debate of deck chair arrangements on the Titanic. But Mountain lions dont have a reputation for requiring powerful firearms to put them down.. They were highly experienced survivalists. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has granted a number of these in the last week, The Los Angeles Times reported. Did they field dress and later skin it ? Thank you! Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. My thought Self-Defense, The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. Next post: AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, Previous post: Waterfowl Artillery: CZ Swamp Magnum, Your email address will not be published. I can shoot 100rds of 480 in a day, that equals two loads of .44 mag or one shot of casull and none of the 500. 50 round box should last a lifetime. style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. do revolvers. My two cents. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. If he does not already carry a firearm then he should. Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. Required fields are marked *. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. A member of the group shot the lion twice, killing it, Babb said. They called me to come over and look at the tracks. You must have a glutton for punishment! We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. Great article. closer than 35 feet heading in your direction should be engaged? Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! The rabid coons were like a drunk, or drugged as they did not acknowledge being shotAmmo used.45 corbon 185 gr hp + p. 9 mm Federal hydroshok 124gr. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. tell me want have you really killed lately. Also, for killing venomous snakes. Native to the Americas, the puma, also called the mountain lion, cougar, catamount or panther, often shares its habitat with several other top predators, such as wolves, bears, coyotes and jaguars. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. and driving a rig your not in the Alaskan brush. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. It has a 1 7/8-inch barrel and a five-shot cylinder in the classic snub-nosed configuration and wears a set of Pachmayr grips, which feel better than the standard J-Frame grips in my hands. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. By Mary Forgione. Live in Alaska. Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. Having to cock it every time I shoot. I have had experience with all of them and know he is right on target. Hopefully, this link will work. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in Mountain lions have been terrorizing livestock in Lake County over the past weeks, and this was not the first instance to be reported to authorities. That said, here are my picks. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. would have been just as well dead anyway. I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. The 357-magnum case is just a bigger capacity shell able to provide much better performance. Thanx! A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. Flat shooting gun with a lifetime warranty. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. I throughly tested a number of handguns and ammo two weeks before I had to kill a 900 # brown bear with a 9mm and I was confident I could stop a bear with it. A lion's natural life span is probably about 12 years in the wild and up to 25 years in captivity. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. A moose attacked me on my property when I first moved here, but it was because I was trying to get close enough for a good picture really DUMB! You show five rounds with your .38, six rounds with your Model 29, but all of your pictures with the Ruger .45 only show FIVE. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Ill stick death by wild beast is now becoming more common. 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