If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. Yuge. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Its not difficult. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. We feel that IFMAs Now I wish I had not. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. This is how capitalism works. Major mistake, Springfield. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. Out of stock Compare. It may not even pass the House. Might see if you can find one to test out. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Shocking I know. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Or how much it was going to take to replace them? After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Rock River Arms has ), I DO have a choice with firearms. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). Good for them, too. Henry and Ruger for the win. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. PERIOD. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. So how is screwing your customer base over a sound business strategy? Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. To whom will they sell? They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. Well, said. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. Whats the feedback at the NRA show running like? Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. Shame! Today, we have nearly one dozen gun control groups working in Illinois. Thats how capitalism works. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. The rifle comes fully loaded with a Rock River two-stage Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. Theyre both stuck now. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. Now they will pay the price. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. In your opinion. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. All businesses are licensed at the state level. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. F them. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Oh, hell no, he told me. For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. This companys name is Mudd. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. That alone is enough to put them out of business. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. I fail to see how giving the box stores a leg up on the gun shops helps Rock River or Springfield Arms in any way. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. Some would disagree. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. I look at their site and the parts were available from the same warehouses at a higher price. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. Didnt you read this article? Ive heard of them canceling orders. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Maybe they should look to Beretta. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Neither excuse is a proper justification. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. You write as though weve been asleep. Great grip and trigger. Theres no way to know for sure. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? When you sell high dollar items like firearms, it is really, really, unbelievably stupid, to piss off your customer base at rebate time. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. And rra. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Its a freakin disaster. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. That should be true. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. The RBG-1S is available in .308 Win./7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor, with a 20-, 22- or 24-inch barrel, and a black, green or tan stock. And now a sell out. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. Glad I waited. A corrupt Illinois politician. Such a thing exists. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. I only purchase products from them with free shipping because they rape you on shipping. Good luck RRA. Its called doing business. No guilt trip on my hip. This says a lot about the people running the company. I dont think youre using that word right. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Any I have to ask WHY? In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. Whats the hangup for SA? theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. Boom. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. Im not ordering anything Springfield. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. I think probably not. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. The Ruger is berween $6-700. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. Accurate and precise for Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Never, ever. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. Rock River LAR-8 .308. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. Its about the same price as an M1A. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. I am happy with my Polytech. We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. Under no circumstances would they sell me any magazines. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Nothing unethical about this practice. They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. When no one else had any left. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. The bills author was (mostly) Rugers attorneys. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. As if they want to implode. 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